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Title: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: bummer7 on December 24, 2005, 10:30:55 PM
To Kenneth Waters,

I appreciate if you can share your knowledge of the Wemco Williams Star Reloader.? I have seen product literature on the machine but do not know if they ever existed or anyone who claimed to have one.? (I think I spelled the machine name correctly.)?

-TIA
Steve
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: Kenneth L. Walters on January 01, 2006, 06:16:41 PM
I don't know what a Wemco William Star reloader is?  You can e-mail me at [no e-mail]@.com or call at 928-714-9484.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: bummer7 on January 01, 2006, 07:44:43 PM
I came across some old product literature for a Synchronmatic Reloading System mfg by Wemco-Williams, Beltsville, Maryland.? From some of the pictures, it appears to be a Star Reloader that has been modified to be a automated commercial loading system.?It has a motorized system for indexing, auto bullet feeder, and Chevron case feeder.?
Let me call you later this week.?
- -Steve
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: Kenneth L. Walters on January 01, 2006, 07:57:35 PM
Not familiar with that one.  I was never interested in the companies who built just accessories and particularly not interested in anyone who made an automatic indexer.  I don't remember this company.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: steven d. ogden on January 27, 2006, 02:30:42 PM
I owned a complete Wemco-Williams mnachine in 38 spcl.  I still have the base and (I think) a bunch of spare parts.  It was a star universal machine mounted on a steel base.  The "ears" on the toolhead were cut off allowijng the machine to operate in a full circle.  The Synchromatic had a long arm driven by the shaft which replaced the Star operating handle.  The Sync used the Hulme case feeder (as I recall), but had its own indexer,  bullet feeder, and case collator (prior to the Chevron).  I think I may still have the original instruction book and, as I said, I still have the base sans Star machine. This machine blew up on me with a Brewster primer turret installed with about 300 small pistol primers (which also blew up).  I don't believe I ever used the machine again.  However, if one were using processed brass (sized, decapped, and good primer pockets) and  non-sticky bullets, I think one could load ammo at the rate of 1800 or so rounds per hour.  With primed brass, the machine would probably be a whiz.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: eaglemike on February 04, 2006, 05:37:54 PM
Primer turrets are scary things. I'm sorry to hear of your mis-fortune.

all the best,

Mike
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: steven d. ogden on February 07, 2006, 12:15:57 PM
i lived through it.  When i hear someone asking about a turret, it gives me the willies.  As a commercial loader, i used an ammoload primer tube loader which was very good.  Interestingly, the instructions call for putting several thousand primers in the bowl (a syntron unit) and starting the machine.  The machine was reasonably good at orienting the primers, but not perfect.  Looking down into a mass of several thousand primers is a sobering experience although i never had another explosion (but a close friend did when a loaded cartridge  flipped into the bowl and set off a bunch--no injuries, thank God, but interesting). 
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: eaglemike on February 08, 2006, 09:23:51 PM
I liked to try to get Elard to talk about stuff, but he was usually pretty quiet. He and Willis both mentioned (at different times) a story about a guy that had cast a lead weight onto the small brass knob of the primer follower rod. He evidently had a dirty machine, and was using force instead of cleaning. Well, you can imagine what happened. The guy blew the stack of primers................I don't know if he actually tried to sue Star, but he did call and at least threaten them. People....................

all the best,

Mike
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: Kenneth L. Walters on February 08, 2006, 11:46:42 PM
Commercial loader?  The Steve Odgen I thought I remember was an assistant district attorney.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: steven d. ogden on February 21, 2006, 01:59:44 PM
Ken, i was until 1999, but I also loaded commercially for nearly 25 years.  I stopped in 1995 and disposed of most of my equipment but I have never lost the interest in presses, particularly progressives.  I am now in pursuit of an old Dercks machine.  I met Joe Dercks back in the late 60's.  I believe that he invented the first reasonably priced and decent automatic loading machine.  The machine was available in both motor and hand power (by a crank).  If I get it, I will try to send you a picture.  Remember the Newcomb in 38 I sold you about 1978?  Istill have the other press in 45.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: Kenneth L. Walters on February 21, 2006, 03:09:49 PM
Joe Dircks.  Now there is a name not many know.  I met him when I was 32, 30 years ago.  He use to vacation at a little hot springs somewhere in new mexico.  Went there to meet him.  I remember that he had retired, the first time, the year I was born, 1943.

Joe, of course, made two straightline progressives, the Dircks and the Tri-Standard.  Still have his pictures of those, I think.  The Dircks, as I recall, was totally automated.  Electric motor to power it.  The Tri-Standard, made some years later, was hand powered.   Don't remember the company history anymore.

One thing you might consider is calling Tony Sailer.  Last I knew he still lived in Owen Wisconsin.  I think that Tony got rid of most of his press collection but you never know.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: armac on September 09, 2009, 07:02:28 PM
Are you interested in selling Wemco Machine? Cordially ARMAC
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: Kenneth L. Walters on September 11, 2009, 04:31:15 PM
I got an e-mail recently from a fellow whose father bought the rights to the Tri-Standard.  Apparently he has several operational machines.  Don't know if any are for sale but...
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: armac on September 22, 2009, 05:40:28 AM
Do you have contact information for him?
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: CHAWKI44 on March 28, 2010, 12:55:48 PM
A note to eaglemike's post about the guy who used a wighted primer follower:  The weighted follower was used to keep a constant downward pressure on the primers and works exceedingly well. And Yes we had a primer tube blow -all that happened was the follower blew out of the tube- the tube nor the machine was damaged in any way - the weighted follower had nothing to do with the primer detonation. If I remember correctly a swedged 9mm case got buy us( this was over twenty years ago). This was the only time we had a primer tube or any other mishap. Not bad considering we had over twenty Star Machines set up and  I might also add that Elard knew of the episode and Star was never at blame and there was NEVER EVER any mention of any kind of law suite. Elard was a very close friend, and we have always been a champion of the Star Machine Works. Chris Hawkins of Hawkins Reloads and McKeon and Son Reloads.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: rbwillnj on October 28, 2011, 10:41:16 AM
In case you missed it, here are a couple pictures of a Wemco Williams that just sold on eBay.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: bummer7 on October 28, 2011, 11:11:04 AM
Wow!  What an interesting setup.  While I have a product manual for their product, it does not have picutres in it so I always imagined the setup to be different.   

Thanks for posting the pictures.  This is almost as good as seeing a picture of bigfoot in the wild. 
Off hand, do you remember what the reloader sold for on eBay? 
-s
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: rbwillnj on October 28, 2011, 11:14:55 AM
It actually went really cheep.   $550 plus $100 shipping on a Buy it Now.   

I could have bought it, but didn't know what I would do with it.   It was set up for 38 Special.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: linsu621 on June 26, 2012, 12:39:32 AM
I have some information about the dircks reloading machines.  My father, John Gillespie, bought the rights to manufacture the loadamatic 1800 from Joe around 1959 or thereabout.  He made some machines for the state dept and for police depts across the US.  My brother, Randy Gillespie, wants to sell the machines he has.  If interested please let me know.  We live in Kingman, AZ.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: armac on October 04, 2012, 01:37:46 AM
Do you know what area the Wemco Williams was shown on E-Bay? I am in the market to buy one as I used three of them when I was a commercial reloader. I also still have their 4 side brochure showing pictures of the unit and data.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: armac on October 04, 2012, 01:41:03 AM
linsu621, do you know condition and price on the machines your brother has? I may be interested.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: rbwillnj on October 04, 2012, 01:44:08 AM
I just have a search for Star in the Reloader area.  It's the only one I have seen come up in many years.  

Should have bought it.
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: jstanley6787 on February 24, 2013, 01:32:41 PM
   Hello           
         I just meet the son of the man who built the Tri-Standard inline reloaders. His name is Randy Gillespie and he knows Joe Dercks. He has 25 assembled machines and parts for about 25 more. I have several pictures and video of them in operation.  Contact me to see photos.       [no e-mail]@.com
Title: Re: Wemco Williams Star Reloader
Post by: Barrel tester on March 10, 2013, 05:33:43 PM
I have two WW automated loaders that i regularly use.
Both have been converted to dc power and speed controllers
installed with reverse.
The originals did not allow for a taper crimp station but my
machines have them  also.
Being experienced with star loaders for 40+ years I had to
improve the "pull the handle,index,add a bullet and repeat, cycle.
If your machines, work well I would consider buying the lot of them
Richard